When Ubuntu came on the scene in 2004, it made desktop Linux viable to many with its ease of use and friendly layout. Instead of constantly improving this and becoming the “King of All Distributions” it took a very different path. While I still use Ubuntu server with some caveats, I will NOT use Ubuntu Desktop.

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50 thoughts on “Ubuntu's Decline”
  1. Snaps can be overriden by mozilla's ppa. I don't mind slow cold start especially when Firefox is propelry confined out of the box. VA-API works. Canonical made the base for whole family of distros. And we've got so many flavors. I can't see where that decline is happening. I'm sorry Chris but this video looks like clickbait. It's very similar to "systemd is evil"… Oh wait!

  2. If I want a good GNOME-based OS, I usually go to Fedora, but if I still want something with an Ubuntu base that's more ready to use immediately upon install, I go with Pop_OS (although, they're moving away from GNOME soon).
    There are no reasons to still use Ubuntu other than if you like the inclusion of Snaps. Pop_OS, Mint, Zorin, elementaryOS, Neon etc. are all based on Ubuntu, and they all give an on-par, if not superior experience for the common user.

  3. I tried another distro called Feren. It's a lovely looking environment but it also uses some package manager to install. I checked out Firefox in the repository and it was 2gb to download, so I did it through the terminal. In fact I have installed virtually everything on Linux through the terminal.

  4. I was really surprised when they put Firefox in a snap.

    Like, I get that many applications have a bad tradeoff between how often they are used and how hard they are to maintain as a traditional package. I'm not a fan of it, and as long as there are other options I'll choose them, but I could live with a few less used Applikations being slower. And perhaps Firefox is also hard to maintain.

    But it's also the Browser. And whether we like it or not, the browser is arguably the most important userfacing Applikation in modern OS.

    So it better have excellent user experience. Which makes putting that core element of your desktop in a Snap is a HORRIBLE idea that IMHO just a manager with no technical understanding could've done, and I'm really surprised they got their devs to submit to that.

  5. Ubuntu BASED distros tend to have the easiest experience of installing and setting up NVIDIA drivers. Hopefully that changes. But I personally use Kubuntu at work and on my laptop and I love the experience.

  6. god dam I hate snaps… they just keep doubling down on the thing and pushing it… I totally get the logic behind it, like with flatpak.. it's a great idea.. but slow downs on start up is one thing, but package sizes blows my noggin.. example is installing Retroarch for a Debian based Raspberry Pi 4/400 via a snap.. total size of install, not including assets and cores 1.6gb.. build it myself, upx the executable and my base install…. 6mb! Even the flatpak comes in under 700meg..

  7. I think Mint is more then ready to take its desktop spot, and probably been for ages too. I used to love Ubuntu too, since the very first release and the coming releases for quite some years. Their passion is obviously gone far away from the desktop.

  8. Ubuntu server is great for casual networking hobbyists and the desktop serves for the odd task you just don't feel like using terminal for. I wouldn't use Ubuntu in any other application, though.

    I kind of look at Pop as the new Ubuntu. Mint is good but needs a lot of tweaking out of the box for some use cases.

  9. I was wondering, if they actually improve the snap package manager, to be faster and fix their issues, would people go back to it?

    I never actually used ubuntu long term mainly because of that thing that you mention about the search results and selling data for ads. But since its long gone and if they actually improved the experince in terms of the snaps I would prolly start recommending it again, right now Im recommending Fedora, because it is a great distro, my only "problem" is that it is vanilla gnome, nothing wrong with it, I prefer it that way but it kinda lacks that "fedora signature" feel you know.

  10. I used ubuntu, till I swapped to PopOS.. At the start of the year I switched to Fedora for work, and Nobara for gaming. I won't be going back, Snap is utterly terrible.

  11. What pretty much all other Linux distro's asides from Ubuntu do, is use what's essentially rapid development and focussing upon innovative changes in their respective distro' life-cycles.

    Ubuntu chose the path of least resistance (expediency and being a corporate lap dog) years ago.

    I never liked Ubuntu from the outset, and like many Linux users who tried it out, hated the switch to Unity.

    I can't wait for the death of this forsaken, bloated distro'.

    Turn it over, it's done.

  12. I started using linux really for the first time seriously with Ubuntu 8.04.4 Hardy Heron and used many versions of Ubuntu as my daily driver, but have really moved away from it over the past 5 years only occasionally going back to see what's happening. Not for any philosophical reasosn, but for much lighter distros. My main Linux machine is running Mint and most of my others are using a custom setup with Debian and an ICEWM based desktop. I do hope that Ubuntu can course correct and pull people back in, because there's so much good about it. Whenever looking for info in forums it seems that there is still a very active community. Regarding snap, It seems that Canonical has often gone against the grain in developing "their own thing", whether it was Mir, Unity or Snaps, often causing a bit of a rift. Love them or lothe them, they have pushed Linux forward over the years.

  13. GNU or Linux doesn't prohibit commercialization. If Canonical can't make money from support (RHEL model), then it is bad news for GNU/Linux and not only Ubuntu/Canonical.

  14. I don't know what you are talking about, Ubuntu runs smooth and quick on my Pc and since I costumised it the way I like I am very happy with it, I think your opinion comes from the fact that you are a linux power user and you probably prefer Arch over debian based Os, in the end for the average user Ubuntu is still the best go to option when it comes to a stable OS with a very user friendly interface

  15. Your wasting your time trying to give recommendations on how to fix this distro.
    They did not listened to the backlash when gmone3 was implemented and now are slidding into window11 method of tracking.

    Just remember this principle :
    Corps don't care about actual peoples, they love to assimilate projects to turn them into a proprietary mess for the excuse of "making profit".

    Thanks also why actual LIBRE software must be distinguished from open-source.

  16. Canonical could give us options to choose at the time of installation. This would be one way to solve this perfromance issue. I switched to Debian for all my business (own) laptops due to this startup lag in snap applications.

  17. Ubuntu has not declined, they have just shifted their focus. And why not? Desktops are not a very large market and they failed in their attempts at getting into the mobile space. There are plenty of options for the regular desktop user, but there isn't many useful server systems. Ubuntu is a king for servers, next to RHEL and Debian. I don't like RPM's or have a specific need to deal with SELinux, so when it comes to servers, my choice would always be one of the other two. Snaps are great on servers and LXD is actually running better as a Snap on Ubuntu server, than it does on distro's still providing native package solutions for it.

  18. The first Linux distro that I used was Ubuntu 10.04, it was not very good at that point (FYI, Linux couldn't even natively play mp4 files at that time , only ogg was supported) , then I purchased a magazine called "Electronics for You" which came with an Ubuntu 12.10 DVD (I still have it) , and that was the first Linux I installed in my main computer alongside Windows.. I didn't update Linux that frequently, but here's my useage order:-
    Ubuntu 12.10
    Ubuntu 14
    Ubuntu 16
    Ubuntu 18
    Linux Mint 20
    Pop_OS 21
    Linux Mint 22

    And well it's been quite a journey, Linux still has some rough edges in things like gaming, but it's nowhere near to what it used to be 10 years ago, and I'm happy for it..

  19. I bought a new laptop and it has microsoft edge which I didn't want to use, so I'm looking at deleting edge and install Linux. I just got to learn how to do it without destroying my data.
    On that note which Linux destro would you recommend?

  20. Ubuntu MATE is a continuation of the old Ubuntu experience in many ways. Obviously the desktop, but also things like not pushing snaps by default, packaging more useful apps, great user friendliness and accessibility, and it’s even made by the old Canonical employee who was working on the Ubuntu Desktop team.

  21. Haha I think it was 2007 – Ubuntu saved me from Windows Vista – I had a BSOD and failed repair, so I got a CD and saved some of my files and installed it.

    I was an experienced Windows user and could remember off the cuff a list of easily a thousand or more softwares you could install to make things work – best antimalware, a rake of Registry edits.

    Within a year, most of those were outdated and after 4 years if I ever met a Windows desktop I was back to being a real noob, but slowly getting more comfortable fixing issues and making Linux work for me.

    I liked Gnome2 desktop, but Ubuntu started pushingi towards Unity – and I liked Gnome2 – so I jumped off to the Linux Mint Cinnamon desktop. Now that's a decent option, and kept me happy for 6 years and highlighted many benefits of leaving Ubuntu and Canonical behind.

    However, the issues with PPA's bugged me, and so I applaud Mint for working on a Debian version cutting out Ubuntu. Now I find Manjaro sitting a little in the place where Ubuntu was back then – though their unpopular choices are generally not forced on anyone, always very simple to opt out and are actually worth ignoring in favour of some extra stability in the KDE spin.

    There are a couple of items, I noticed, in the AUR, which download snap packages – clean them up and install them. So SNAP packaging isn't a problem so much.

    But… Canonical working to bully the Linux community into installing SNAP by default over binaries… wow.

  22. When Ubuntu dropped Unity 7, I had enough. Unity 8 and Gnome, yuck. Mint disabled snaps by default. I am finding AppImage usable, but slow to start as well. But, I don't know what else we could expect, when you smash all the dependencies into the package, it's going to take longer to load in the first place, and it's going to take more RAM, since the libraries are no longer shared.

  23. The push for snap is really misguided. When I heard snap will be the only way to install Firefox 20.04, I stopped using it.

    I don't get it. All other distros pack Firefox, so I have to think that the reason isn't really the difficulty in it, but it's to force snap onto everyone. And after using snap, I don't like it – I'm sorry.

  24. Like many others I too started out with Ubuntu. Right after they introduced snaps I got fed up with Firefox taking about 10 seconds to load each and every time. I have since switched to Fedora Workstation and love it. So much better than the Ubuntu of old

  25. ubuntu is the microsoft of Linux… Everything that Microsoft is doing ubuntu is going in that same direction. I hate snaps, if I want a sandboxed app, I just go with flatpack. But ubuntu has a good desktop.

  26. See I'm going to differ. Unity was something I hated. I went and found Linux Mint, because they had this new thing called Mate, which was the old gnome2 desktop restarted and being maintained again. That was then. What do I use today? Mint + Mate. I LIKE this desktop.
    I do agree that snaps are bad, for a number of reasons. I like flat-pacs better, but mostly I like apt and the conventional packages. I do a lot of messing around with pacman and Arch in virtualboxes, but I'm not keen on trying any of those on bare metal as my daily host.
    [edit] Ubuntu Mate is perfectly fine …. If I had to go back to that now I could, but I'm happy in Mint, and I have about a dozen guests to play with, including Ubuntu Mate.

  27. Snap is a piece of crap, I don't understand why they did that, it makes absolutely no sense, there are a lot of apps I use in Ubuntu that in the past you can install through apt, now, snap only, why!!! , Not to mention the new network manager geez

  28. When Ubuntu 20.04 came around, the increased prevalence of snaps discouraged me greatly from trying it, and I ended up stuck with 18.04 for about an extra year, until I decided to jump ship to Manjaro.

  29. Earlier today I was helping someone fix their computer and we used Kubuntu in a live FlashDrive and we couldn't open Firefox at all because the snap service wasn't behaving.

    To me the future is Pop! OS and Elementary which is what I use now.

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