MICROSOFT isn't the ENEMY of Linux and FOSS anymore, but it's no friend either...



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01:41 Microsoft: the arch-enemy of Linux and FOSS
04:24 Microsoft now loves FOSS and Linux?
07:45 Shady Stuff: Github Copilot
09:48 More Shady Stuff: Secure Core and Linux Boot
11:28 Windows Store policy against FOSS app sales
12:50 Microsoft: friend or foe?
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Since the 90s, Microsoft hasn’t demonstrated the best approach to Linux and open source. The most famous quote here is Steve Ballmer, former CEO of Microsoft, saying “Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches”.

https://www.theregister.com/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_cancer/

There was also the still remembered “embrace extend extinguish”, terms used by Microsoft internally to describe their strategy when they were trying to enter a market dominated by open standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

Other notable instances of Microsoft being hostile to open source and Linux include their faux open Microsoft Office OpenXML formats, or Microsoft doing extorting Android phone manufacturers for each phone sold because the Linux kernel supposedly infringed on one of their patents.

Nowadays, though, Microsoft has completely changed their stance. First, Microsoft’s president, Brad Smith said “Microsoft was on the wrong side of history when open source exploded at the beginning of the century, and I can say that about me personally”

Microsoft’s CEO, Satya Nadella, went on stage with a “Microsoft Loves Linux” slide. Microsoft, nowadays, uses Linux in Azure, their could offering. They ship a Linux kernel in every WIndows install, for use with the Windows Subsystem for Linux.

On top of that, Microsoft has open sourced a bunch of stuff, including .NET Core, Visual Studio Code, Powershell, the original Edge Javascript engine, their own Fluid UI framework and SDK. Microsoft is also a contributor to the Linux kernel. Microsoft also has a FOSS Fund, which attributes money to FOSS projects.

But then, there’s Github copilot. Microsoft acquired Github a while back, and they quickly started using all that open source code to good use. They implemented Copilot, some AI tool that helps developers write code by auto generating methods and functions, auto filling code, and more.

Since it’s been proven to actually copy entire patterns, it means that Copilot is just a copyright laundering machine: it takes open source code from open repos, and it copies that code into any other repo, without any license attached to it.

Then there’s the requirements for some computers, that microsoft has added. For enterprise PCs, Windows has something they call Secure Core, which means that out of the box, these PCs can’t boot Linux at all, you’ll have to enter the BIOS and disable that feature.

Last, there are still some issues that illustrate that Microsoft does NOT understand how the open source community works and reacts, which leads to a few problems. The latest one was their new app store policy on Windows. It all started from a good place: they didn’t want users to have 20 clones of GIMP or LibreOFFICE that were paid for, probably insecure, and generally were just copyright ripoffs of the originals.

So they added some clauses to their policy that said open source apps can’t be monetized on our store. And they pushed these changes as is, without talking it over, and announcing it beforehand.

34 thoughts on “MICROSOFT isn't the ENEMY of Linux and FOSS anymore, but it's no friend either…”
  1. WSL can be a pretty good gateway drug. I had been using Macs for ages but felt more and more constrained, for example by app sandboxing. I switched to Windows, knowing that not only would I be able to do my business tasks, but also play AAA games and get a Unix experience as good or better than with Darwin. But WSL made me want more, so I started dual-booting, and in the end got a dedicated Linux box. Over time, I found that Linux lets me do 99% of what I had been doing on macOS and Windows. For me, using WSL turned into the year of Linux on the desktop.

  2. windows want linux user install windows and go for bash. bcoz it was not possible before install virtual machine and linux on on windows haha. linux run on virtual enviroment nice lol

  3. MS Teams for Linux (preview) will be discontinued in a few months. I hope they make sure the web browser version will be as good as the desktop version, even without using MS Edge. Sadly I doubt.

  4. Microsoft knows precisely what they are doing. They are using miss direction to try and undermine Linux. Microsoft hasn't changed they've just softened their image hoping people don't look to deep and see they are the same company that Balmer ran.

  5. You know what, Microsoft is the main cause of global warming in the planet.
    Why? Because of TPM. Without TPM you cannot install Windows 11.
    So people need to buy new computers every year. Which creates more E-Waste.

    And E-Waste are one contributing factor to global warming.

    With Linux you can extend the life of your old hardware. Does prevent more E-Waste.
    Which cleans up the dump site and prevent global warming from affecting our planet.

    Old hardwares are tough and durable. They ment to last for a long time. But Microsoft with their software monopolies,
    makes old hardware obsolete. Which is also unetical.

    Their are a lot of old hardwares out there. And Linux can be use to revive them.
    Old hardwares makes us learn Linux and stop climate change from happening. So if you want a clean way to enjoy computing,
    Use Linux.

    Help save our planet for the future of human kind. Microsoft is more of a cancer rather than a cure for global warming and climate change.

  6. Microsoft is the enemy.

    Right now they're trying to look incompetent, all while slowly but consistently encroaching upon FOSS and Linux. They're hoping we won't notice until it's too late.

  7. Microsoft just lost the control over the web that they used to have. The Internet for the most part is hosted on Linux and all the frameworks for web development work better in Linux. The last thing they want is for developers to migrate to Linux and realize they don't need Windows for their work. So they give developers some level of interoperability so that they don't need to leave Windows to continue doing their work. It's why virtually all of Microsoft's open source efforts are in this realm while making no major efforts in other markets where people still depend on Windows such as for Office products, gaming, and legacy software.

    People might argue that there are web versions of these for each but the web version of Office has many limitations the native windows version does not have and the same goes for streaming games. Microsoft makes no effort to ensure other Office products are capable of handling their document formats accurately. All gains in interoperability when it comes to gaming off of Windows have come through the efforts of companies outside of Microsoft.

    Microsoft still wants all the power and control. Their stance has only slightly shifted to avoid losing developers.

  8. The microsoft store thing was just stupidity and overaction by the foss community. Anyone who's used the store would have known how desperately stricter rules were needed at that point to stop the flood of scammy listings. There was nothing in the wording that said that foss apps were banned or could not be sold. I think the only reason it spread so much was sites and channels trying to clicks or not bothering to look at the issue before reporting it.

  9. “microsoft hasn’t open sourced any parts of windows”
    Didn’t you literally say they open sourced the fluid ui framework

    It’s considerably small but
    Where am I even going with this lol

  10. @2:12 "Government funding should be for work that is available to evrybody."

    That Steve Ballmer's quote sounds very paradoxical. If government funds commercial companies, I highly doubt the product will available to public too. If government funds open-source projects, commercial companies wouldn't have any problem to make it commercial…

  11. I mean….because I don't "need" anything from Microsoft?…I don't really care what they think of Linux..I DO care that they're forever trying to integrate Linux into their OS….it might be convenient for Sysadmins and Network managers etc?…but we've SEEN what "convenience" can end up becoming when it comes to Microsoft. So even if they were to pave the road with gold bricks for Linux?…I still feel they should be scrutinized and watched very closely. Because even when they claimed to "Love Linux"?…they were doing things to try and make it harder for Linux to be installed on certain hardware. Nah…I'll continue to use Linux exclusively and leave the corporations who feel they have no choice but to use Windows very much on their own. Besides…when you're trying to become a self-taught developer?….you use the best OS for the job..and ain't nothing that has a more perfect fit for developers than Linux!..

    Oh and Nick?…just because someone changes their STANCE?…that doesn't mean they're changing their ultimate goal….
    and the things they are or have been releasing to the Open Source Comnnunity?…are things we already HAVE!…IDE's galore..code editors..text editors..a CALCULATOR!?….WTH!???…..nah…leave that crap where it belongs..and use Linux on your hardware…you'll be happier for it.

    I'm just sayin'…LoL!

  12. I used to hate Microsoft so much. These days I have to tell myself to that under Nadella they've improved a fair bit. I wont be completely satisfied until they no longer have an OS monopoly, but things are not so bad as they once were and the future looks brighter.

  13. I think Microsoft is now just making stupid mistakes and not trying to be an enemy of FOSS. They seem to be tightening the noose around Windows users with Windows 11, so less Microsoft would still be a good thing. Microsoft’s ownership of Git is still a concern, though.

    Google, on the other hand, is actively forcing some FOSS projects to go their way. Stock Android ROMs (and Play Services), Chromium (direction of the web, extensions, and lack of auto scrolling), and conflict of interest in Firefox’s funding (safe browsing, geolocation, and default search engine) are great examples. Google contributing more code to FOSS should be viewed more with suspicion than praise.

  14. I am happy to see you actually talking about Microsoft's position in the Linux/FOSS world without following a predetermined agenda like "THEY-R-ALL-EVIL-WAAAAAAAH!!!" but rather by looking at facts that exist in our current time.

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