Linus Torvalds Now Using a 64-bit Arm Laptop - Ditches x86 While on the Road

Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux operating system, has ditched x86 for road trips and instead is using a MacBook with Apple Silicon, but not running MacOS, but running Linux!

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31 thoughts on “Linus Torvalds Now Using a 64-bit Arm Laptop – Ditches x86 While on the Road”
  1. As a LinuxMint user and a RedHat aspirant myself, my opinion is that,
    for manufactures (not Apple) to make more affordable Arm based PCs and Linux machines, more people must start using Linux based OS. And to make Linux to Appeal to the masses, more professional useful Softwares must be developed or made compatible in Linux OS.

  2. Misleading clickbait title when Linus Torvalds says differently:

    "Not that I've used it for any real work, I literally have only been

    doing test builds and boots and now the actual release tagging. But

    I'm trying to make sure that the next time I travel, I can travel with

    this as a laptop and finally dogfooding the arm64 side too."

  3. What a lot of consumers would love: ARM 2-in-1 Tablet-Laptop mini eg Surface Go "Air" using the Surface Go Form Factor and cutting the weight right down to equivalent with iPad Air M1 at about ~450g + 250g typecover detachable to easily use for media consumption as well as full-fat OS for on-the-go work tinkering. The weight, multi-modal input, convergence of devices and connectivity, long arm battery life are all essential. The fact Apple does not offer this is a market niche waiting to be exploited.

    In the capacity of lighter, thinner and longer-lasting battery life (power efficiency) this is where ARM can make immediate gains over Intel/AMD as per Smart Phones already.

    Windows On Arm (WOA) has some way to go to match MacOS integration with hardware-OS-Apps which is a challenge also.

    In respect to the above, Linux could be more efficient however a lot more work is needed on Touch GUI in Linux for the above convergence.

  4. "Apple is leading bringing ARM to consumers". Never heard about Android or Nokia (Symbian, Microsoft, and Linux version)? I give them M1 and M2 are leading at the moment in laptop space (their CPU integration has been best part of the company for a while).

  5. ARM processors for PCs are presently made for servers. Not cheap but lots of power. I think manufacturers will soon see there is a gap in the market lower down. They are always better for power consumption and consumers are more worried now about rising bills.

  6. So IF you indeed create the absolutely greatest M2-specific Linux-ARM-app, with getting THE MOST out of that silicon, and their CPU, GPU, Thunderbolt, etc. WHO do you want to sell it to? Apple is already a SMALLER fraction of all PCs, M2 is an even smaller fraction of that, and then THOSE who have the urge to convert their M2 to Linux should be an abysmally small market. Weird thinking. And it won't even be on the Appstore.

  7. Personally I think it was a brilliant move on Linus' part to announce this. It's a win-win situation. Wink wink nudge nudge. Apple gets some free publicity, maybe someone at apple will look into that GPU problem and make some contributions. Everybody wins. Except Nvidia, Intel and AMD 😀

    Apple is being asked to enter into a very select club, and mind you, by the head hancho. On the front door. Thing is, linux devs don't need help figuring out the cpu, the memory, the peripherals. Power management was somewhat complicated, but other then that, GPU will be the hardest problem to crack. On the other hand, Apple has no reason to hold back, because it is not competing directly with Nvidia or AMD in that space yet, but it could sell a lot more hardware if people were just comfortable putting linux on it and playing stuff. They been kinda ambivalent about it. About people running their OS on other hardware, and people running other OSes on their hardware. All the big kids are doing it (contributing to linux kernel)… why not apple?

  8. I want to ask you a question and I hope you read this and answer me. Why can’t we make use of android tablets to install linux especially when they are available everywhere, cheap, some have have strong hardware and their operating systems update for no more than two years. This might help too many people find suitable pc (like) machines easily.

  9. I think there is a technical reason, you need the software to run on tne plattform, which was easier for Apple with its unified ecosystem to convince everyone, with Windows on ARM you would be stuck on their emulation layer for x86 for quite a while until developers recognize that Windows on ARM is a thing and compile their source for it. And the market for linux is sadly still too small.

  10. Did you check when arm support was added to Linux Kernel?
    I didn't check, but Debian 2.2 Potato have had support for ARM back in 14th August 2000. That is definitely not recent.

  11. A good plea @GaryExplains, but some of Apple’s marketing advantage in the ARM space comes from then having a captive audience. Consequently, to make ARM based PC’s, manufacturers are drooling at the prospect of locked down firmware and other anticompetitive ideas. Your first ARM based PC very likely will need ‘jailbreaking’.

  12. I would love to see an Arm setup where the RAM and GPU aren't completely "sealed" within the SoC as they are in Apple machines. From a "freedom" standpoint, Apple's design (beyond its excellent arm architecture) is extremely troubling to me because it places Apple Corporation in a stranglehold position vis-a-vis consumers who need a tiny bit more RAM or SSD space. The entire structure feels extremely anti-competitive – like a hardware "black box" on your lap, which is antithetical to Linux and downright ironic as far as the free software movement is concerned.

  13. for arm to truly do well in the PC market we have to be able to build custom PCs of our own with ARM if they ever hope to compete with AMD and Intel.

  14. If apple other aspect such as pain in the ash Repairability, and reliabele service that are not throwable the moment randong thing break.

    And it's expensive overall from buying cost and other added cost. Yes I'm poor enough to still have trouble with it.

  15. I bought a Mac Mini with the M1 chip a year ago. I'd had taken a lot of Udemy courses dealing with programming. I also got used to the Manjaro Linux environment so switching to Asahi Linux was easy.

  16. ARM on desktop is never going to happen, in much the same way that Linux on desktop never happened – there is no real use case. Most consumers are perfectly happy running Windows on X86 because it does 99% of what they need. Intel and especially AMD have managed to squeeze incredible efficiency out of x86. I love ARM. I'm also an application developer who codes on Linux and releases for ARM in addition to x86 because I firmly believe in ARM as a lower power server option. ARM is going to dominate the data center, just like Linux does, because we need it there.

  17. I have an M1 MacBook Air and I have to say that it’s my favorite system. I’m waiting for Asahi to become fully stable and then I will need to determine the space trade off as far as getting it ready. I have not partitioned or dual booted in a very long time and that’s the one thing that makes me very nervous, especially because of the rather untraditional installation one will have to go through for this. My hope is that eventually we can do what we do with all other systems and boot from a USB and maybe even run in live mode before committing. I realize given Apple’s locked down nature, that such a wish may be our in the sky, but hey, one can dream right? I’m also looking forward to seeing Linux running on these pieces that are powered by the QUALCOMM snapdragon.

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